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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by sinisake » 20 Jun 2009, 22:40

O ovome:
Dzimi je jedino valjano svirao u studiju a ni tamo nije bio preterano tehnicki ubedljiv.
O tome da je uzivo cesto zvucao ODVRATNO.
Nisam rekao da je los gitarista, da nije bio inovator, da nije imao katkad zaista magican, opcinjavajuci zvuk...


A cinjenica je da je pitanje da li bi danas mogao da gradis karijeru gitarosa da imas tako izrazenu (kvalitativnu) razliku izmedju nastupa uzivo i studijskog rada.

'Esi l' sad provalio...lepo? :lol:

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by Bluesko » 20 Jun 2009, 22:46

Provalio sam,ali mi je bolo oci
sinisake wrote:a ni tamo nije bio preterano tehnicki ubedljiv.
Pa sam mislio da ispade da je isto to sto je svirao na koncertu isto sto je svirao u studiju.. Naravno mislim na kvalitet ;)
I slazem se da mu je tehnika bila odlicna,ali ne najbolja,ne da umres,ne "magicna",ne savrsena.... Ali je imao on stosta drugo osim tehnike :ziveli:

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by nebojsak » 20 Jun 2009, 23:22

sinisake wrote:O ovome:
A cinjenica je da je pitanje da li bi danas mogao da gradis karijeru gitarosa da imas tako izrazenu (kvalitativnu) razliku izmedju nastupa uzivo i studijskog rada.
Srećom, tako nešto nije moguće.

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by Dersu Uzala » 21 Jun 2009, 01:09

Bluesko wrote:
Naravno da Hendrix nije najbolji tehnicar,daleko od toga... Naravno da se izvestan broj ljudi lozio na njega zato sto je palio gitaru ili svir`o zubima... naravno da su se mase nakon toga lozile jer su culi od ovih koji su ga uzivo gledali da je Hendrix the man... Naravno da se danas veliki broj ljudi lozi na Hendrixa zato sto je to kul,retro,zato sto ne znaju da nabroje jos 2 gitarosha,zato sto su culi da je nekad Hendrix bio magican... Ali to ne umanjuje njegovo umece,niti cinjenicu da jednostavno jeste najbolji... Ali nikako zbog svoje tehnike ili toga sto je mog`o da odsvira zubima... Da je tehnika u pitanju,najveci gitarista bi bio Malmstin... Buckethead,Satriani,Gilbert,Petruci,Vai.... Iako su vrsni tehnicari,ne mogu da prismrde gospon` Hendrixu.... Reci da je veliki deo njegove svirke bio zamaskiran fuzzom ili najnovijim Marshalovim pojacalom je.... Degutantno... Cinjenica je da je korisio gore pomenute efekte,ali daleko od toga da je mogao da zamaskira svoje (ne)umece.... Onda bi danas sa pregrst Bossovih alatljiki ja bio najbolji gitarista na svetu,zar ne?
NIkako Hendza nije bio najbolji uzivo,ali naravno da je ono sto je svirao u studiju bilo..... ^^ jednostavno ^^
Jednostavno? Pa posle citavog paragrafa, rekao si nam sta to sve Hendrix nije. A na kraju ispade 'najveci'. Kako bre, po cemu to? Po hajpu? Po cemu konkretno, sem po hajpu? Drugo, Hendrix je imao tu neverovatnu srecu, kao niko drugi dotada, da mu donose na ruke najnovije sprave da ih isproba. Prototipove. Procitaj neku biografiju njegovu pa ce ti biti jasno. Daleko od toga da ga kritikujem zbog toga, to su jednostavno cinjenice. U to vreme razlika izmedju prethodne serije pojacala i naredne serije je bila fenomenalna. Zasto je Jimmy imao nikakav ton pocetkom sezdesetih a onda postao kralj kraljeva sa tonom i distorzijom? Zato sto mu je Jim Marshall postao licni prijatelj a Jimmy njegovo zamorce na kojem je isprobavao svoje novitete. Citaj Hendrixovu biografiju gde on i Eddie Kramer pricaju kako su snimali albume u Electric Ladyland. Ovi samo unose novu opremu svaki dan, stizu razne igracke, Jimmy ih ukljucuje naduvan kao majka, zeza se, a ovi rolaju traku sve vreme. Posle sednu i sve to uoblice. Nema tu nijedne gotove pesme, da su usli u studiju i istresli je iz gaca. O cemu ti pricas onda?

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by Bluesko » 21 Jun 2009, 01:37

Opet ti kazem,ako nisi cit`o moj post, da je tako onda bi moja baba bila najbolji svetski gitarista,samo joj das novitete iz Bossa i Behringera,jel tako? Mislim,bas je to dovoljno za dobar album,da mu nije Marshall svir`o pesme????? I da,jel tada produkcija bila toliko jadna da je bilo dovoljno da imas dobrog Marshala da bi zvucao super? Kad smo vec kod Electric Ladylanda,poslusaj doticnu pesmu,kasce ti se samo u cemu je smisao mog posta... NE,jos bolje,nadji na netu probnu verziju,klot onako,na akusticnoj gitari... Bez Marshalla,samo 10 prstiju :wink: Pa preslusaj.... Ili je mozda Jimi imao nesto u toj akustari cime je zamaskirao svoje neumece.... Bas je jadan bio taj Jimi.... Biciklista... :grummel_2:

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by Dersu Uzala » 21 Jun 2009, 01:39

Mozda ce ti biti jasnije kad procitas ovaj kraci text. Svako ima u prstima od tih poznatijih gitarista, ali je Dzimi bio perverzan kad je u pitanju oprema, kao retko ko. Cak je i slave-ovao Marshalle (mada ne preko slave izlaza ili FX petlje) deceniju pre Eddie-ja.

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The Gear of Jimi Hendrix

March, 2005

Hendrix’s transformation from a quirky, Nashville-based R&B player nicknamed “Marbles” to an acid-tripping, gypsy, mega-star changed not only the face of pop music, but the rules of the game, as well. Hendrix’s songs and sounds were incredibly intertwined, and it’s safe to say his tools were part of his magic.

The Guitar Story

Somewhere between his 11th and 13th birthdays, Hendrix received his first guitar—an inexpensive acoustic—from his father, who bought it after seeing his son holding the neck of a broom and strumming the bristles. His first electric guitar was a white, single-pickup Supro Ozark that his father purchased from Myers Music in Seattle in 1959. Next came a red, single-pickup Silvertone Danelectro that Hendrix was slinging with Seattle’s Tomcats in early ’61. He parked this guitar with a girlfriend when he joined the army that year, and switched to a cheap Eko or Kay for a while. Eventually, he asked his father to send him the Danelectro, which he had nicknamed “Betty Jean.”

While gigging around Tennessee with the King Casuals in ’62, he traded in the Dano for a new Epiphone Wilshire—a dual-pickup guitar with a solid-mahogany body and a glued-in mahogany neck. He also bought an Ibanez electric from Collins Music in Clarksville, Tennessee. Unable to pay the $10-per-week installments, he voluntarily returned the guitar.

During his nine-month stint with the Isley Brothers in 1964, Hendrix got his first Fender—a blond ’59 or ’60 Duo-Sonic. With Little Richard’s Upsetters in ’65, he slung a Fender Jazzmaster. He switched back to a sunburst Duo-Sonic with Curtis Knight & the Squires, but later returned to a Jazzmaster. With funds supplied by his then girlfriend—and the trade-in of his Duo-Sonic— Hendrix bought his first Strat from Manny’s Music in New York, in the summer of ’66. He used a number of different CBS-era Strats— mainly rosewood-fretboard models—while gigging around New York’s Greenwich Village in ’66 and ’67 as Jimmy James and the Blue Flames, and, later, with the Experience. Hendrix would narrow his choices to the black or white Strats with maple fretboards that were his primary axes for the rest of his career. (Although he owned innumerable Stratocasters—and often carried more than 13 at a time when touring— only six can be accounted for today.)

Hendrix bought right-handed Strats because he preferred to have the controls on top. He’d reverse the nut, and wind his low-E string the opposite direction around the farthest tuner in order to keep it from jumping out of the nut slot. He originally tuned to standard pitch, but he eventually tuned down a half-step to ease the strain on his voice.

Of course, Hendrix bought and played other guitars—lots of other guitars—and he gave many away. Henry Goldrich of Manny’s recalls selling him everything from a Gibson ES-330, to a Gibson Firebird, to a Mosrite electric resonator guitar. His other guitars included a Guild 12-string acoustic, an Acoustic Black Widow Spider, a double-neck Mosrite, a Hagstrom 8-string bass (played on “Spanish Castle Magic” from Axis: Bold as Love), various Rickenbackers (a bass, a 6-string, and a 12-string), a ’67 Gretsch Corvette, a left-handed Guild Starfire Deluxe fitted with a Bigsby tremolo, a ’67 Gibson Flying V, a ’55 Gibson Les Paul, a ’68 Gibson SG Custom, a black, left-handed Flying V, a Gibson Dove acoustic, a Martin acoustic, and a Hofner electric. Modifications to his instruments were minimal, and his frets were rarely reworked because the guitars didn’t last long enough to become worn.

The String Thing

Hendrix’s strings of choice were light-gauge Fender Rock ’N’ Roll sets (gauged .010, .013, .015, .026, .032, .038). However, guitarist/producer Bob Kulick—an acquaintance of Hendrix’s during the Greenwich Village days—remembers him breaking a string in a dressing room, and saying, “Uh oh, I don’t have any extras.” Kulick asked him what he needed, and Hendrix said he used an E string for a B. “That was the first time I’d ever heard of anyone moving their string gauges over like that,” Kulick says.

But, then again, Band of Gypsies drummer Buddy Miles insisted that Hendrix used a very heavy E string, a medium gauge on his A and D, a Hawaiian G string, a light B, and a super-light E. This was supposedly not just for experimentation, but something Hendrix did because he thought the mixed gauges would keep the guitar in tune better. (Michael Bloomfield apparently tried some of the Hendrix Strats that Miles owned, and he was also a proponent of the mixed gauge theory.)

For picks, Hendrix chose whatever medium gauge his hand came up with when he stuck it into the drawer at Manny’s. Barrett simply reports that the Experience carried thousands of picks, as well as hundreds of guitar straps—all selected to match Hendrix’s shirts.

The Amp Armada

Hendrix experimented with various amplification systems, but, to use Barrett’s words: “It was 99 percent Marshall.” The guitarist’s route to the Marshall stacks that eventually became his familiar backline was a process of elimination. He reportedly owned a Silvertone amp and a matching 2x12 cab during his days in Tennessee in ’61 and ’62, but he mainly borrowed amps for gigs. From ’65 through ’66, Hendrix’s mainstay was a Fender Twin Reverb. He reportedly sniffed out Orange amps at Pink Floyd’s December 1967 “Christmas on Earth” show in London, and again at his very last concert. Apparently, he couldn’t get the sounds he wanted from them.

Also in 1967, Buck Munger solidified a five-year contract (which actually lasted 14 months) between Hendrix and Sunn amplifiers after the Monterey Pop Festival. Sunn agreed to supply the entire Experience with anything they needed, in exchange for Hendrix’s research and development input.

Hendrix started out with a 100-F cabinet, loaded with one JBL D-130 in the bottom and an L-E 100-S driver horn in the top. There was not much midrange—Munger described the tone as “almost a surfer sound”—and Hendrix combined the cab with a stack of Marshall 4x12s to get a blend. Later, the Sunn setup included up to five Coliseum P.A. tops—altered for guitar at 120 watts RMS each—with ten speaker cabinets loaded with two JBL D-130s each.

“We then went to four 12" Eminence speakers at Jimi’s request, and we also took his advice that the minimum acceptable power at that time was 100 watts,” recalls Munger.

For the Experience tour that began in February ’68, Hendrix used Fender Dual Showmans and Marshalls, and then added 100-watt Sunn Coliseum P.A. tube amps, plus an array of Sunn 2x15 or horn-loaded cabs. Stage photos from this period show quite an assortment of Sunn, Fender, and Marshall gear, but Hendrix soon severed his relationship with Sunn and began using Marshalls almost exclusively.

“Jimi was used to the big numbers,” explains Munger, “and when he turned his Sunn amps up, he got a lot of noise he didn’t like.”

Hendrix’s Marshall of choice was the 100-watt Super Lead driving two 4x12 cabs, and his standard backline would quickly grow to three Super Leads and six 4x12s. He plugged his guitar into one amp, and linked it to the others by running a cable from an adjacent input (the Super Leads had four inputs) to the second amp’s input jack, and so on.

This was a long way from the band’s humble beginnings, when Hendrix and Noel Redding shared one miked 100-watt Marshall during the sessions for their first album. Because Hendrix performed with his amp settings nearly always on full, his systems wore out fast.

In 1969, the Experience began using the services of West Coast Organ & Amp Repair in Hollywood, California, to prepare and maintain their equipment. “We received eight new Super Lead heads and about ten 4x12 cabinets before the start of Jimi’s ’69 tour,” says David Weyer, who was then West Coast’s amp technician. “Hendrix wanted us to install heavier-duty speakers, so we took out all of the 25-watt Rola Celestions and replaced them with 75-watt Rolas that we bought from [Vox distributor] Thomas Organ. They used those speakers in the solid-state Super Beatles that were being made here. Jimi told me that he preferred the sound of 6550 tubes in his Marshalls, so we replaced the stock Mullard EL34s with General Electric, Tung-Sol, and RCA 6550s that I got from Yale Radio on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood. I rebiased all the amps and changed their suppressor-grid voltages to keep the 6550s from over-dissipating.

By the end of a tour, Jimi would always have two or more tops that he liked best, and I’d measure their voltages and spec everything out in an attempt to understand why they sounded particularly sweet. His favorites always seemed to be the ones with extra-high plate voltage.

“We kept most of his Fender Showmans stock. I modded some with 6550 tubes, but that required building heavier-duty power supplies. We usually just tuned the Fender stuff to sound as good as possible. Jimi had some 2x15 bottoms that would come in all torn up with the speaker grilles kicked in. We’d recover them, replace the broken speakers, and send them back out. Amp bashing was a big thing back then.”

Effectric Ladyland

Effects were pretty new when Hendrix began forging his classic sound, and he once said that the first time he heard wah-wah was on Cream’s “Tales Of Brave Ulysses.” Soon after, a Vox wah became an indispensable part of his sound. Though Hendrix began using a fuzzbox (probably a Maestro) while playing with Curtis Knight, it was after meeting a young effects builder named Roger Mayer in London in 1967, that he was introduced to the neutron bomb of fuzz technology—a prototype design that Mayer called the Octavia. A fuzzbox with frequency-doubling circuitry that synthesized a second note an octave above the fingered note, the Octavia was first used by Hendrix on “Purple Haze” and “Fire.” Mayer signed on as a guitar tech for the Experience’s 1968 U.S. tour, and he continued to work with Hendrix for some time thereafter. Though Hendrix’s main fuzzbox was the Arbiter Fuzz Face, Mayer says he built 16 or 17 fuzzes for Jimi, along with an unknown number of Octavias.

Another essential ingredient in Hendrix’s tone chain was the Univox Uni-Vibe—a chorus/rotating-speaker simulator that was introduced in 1969. Hendrix immediately added the device to his setup, and he continued using it throughout his career. (The Uni-Drive was another Univox product that Hendrix may have used around 1970.) A rotary-speaker fan, Hendrix played through a Leslie on Axis: Bold as Love and Electric Ladyland, and he occasionally used Leslie speakers live. His standard effects order was wah, Octavia, Fuzz Face, and Uni-Vibe.

Clues as to why Hendrix preferred one device over another are scarce. “He didn’t express to anybody what he wanted,” says Barrett. “His ears—and only his ears—knew his tastes.”

The only scrap comes from Michael Bloomfield, who once stated that Hendrix gave him a big lecture about the Fuzz Face and the CryBaby being the only ones that really worked. “He said the CryBaby gave the biggest range from treble to bass, and it had the hugest wah effect, the fastest action, and the most authentic vocal sound,” remembered Bloomfield. “The Fuzz Face was the most distorted sounding of such units, and the two plugged together created permanent sustain and endless distortion.

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I naravno neizbezna Wikipedia:

Amplifiers and effects

Hendrix was a catalyst in the development of modern guitar effects pedals. His high-energy stage act and the high volume at which he played required robust and powerful amplifiers. For the first few rehearsals he used Vox and Fender amplifiers. Sitting in with Cream, Hendrix played through a new range of high-powered guitar amps being made by London drummer turned audio engineer Jim Marshall, and they proved perfect for his needs. Along with the Stratocaster, the Marshall stack and amplifiers were crucial in shaping his heavily overdriven sound, enabling him to master the use of feedback as a musical effect. His use of this brand made it very popular.

During the Isle of Wight video Hendrix has numerous equipment problems, during "All Along the Watchtower" his wah pedal squeals at a high pitch instead of functioning normally, after struggling with it during a solo Hendrix can be clearly seen to turn toward the camera and his support crew and say "wah wah, get me another wah wah" as the show progresses further pieces of equipment are replaced.[dubious – discuss] Arbiter Fuzz Face units which were highly inconsistent, and subject to changes in tone due to both temperature and battery conditions. As Hendrix's recording career progressed he made greater use of customized effects units. In contrast the first singles and album was made under more basic, low budget conditions with only a basic fuzz pedal and some rudimentary 'Octavia' on Purple Haze.

Hendrix constantly looked for new guitar effects. He was one of the first guitarists to move past simple gimmickry and to exploit the full expressive possibilities of electronic effects such as the Arbiter Fuzz Face and wah-wah pedal. He had a fruitful association with engineer Roger Mayer who later went on to make the Axis fuzz unit, the Octavia octave doubler and several other devices based on units Mayer had created or tweaked for Hendrix. The Japanese-made Univibe was another effect and is particularly interesting. Designed to electronically simulate the modulation effects of the rotating Leslie speaker, it provided a rich phasing sound with a speed control pedal. The Band of Gypsys track "Machine Gun" highlights use of the univibe, octavia and fuzz face pedals.

The Hendrix sound combined high volume and high power, feedback manipulation, and a range of cutting-edge guitar effects. He was also known for his trick playing, which included playing with only his right (fretting) hand, using his teeth or playing behind his back and between his legs, although he soon grew tired of audience demands to perform these tricks. Hendrix had large hands and used his thumb almost constantly to fret bass notes, leaving his fingers free to play melodic fills on top, thereby facilitating his noted ability to play lead and rhythm parts simultaneously. This technique was made easier by his Stratocaster's 7.25" fingerboard radius (more rounded than the modern standard 9.5"[citation needed]). A clear demonstration of this thumb technique can be witnessed in the Woodstock video; during the song Red House there are excellent closeups of Hendrix's fretting hand.
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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by nebojsak » 21 Jun 2009, 01:44

Jednostavno? Pa posle citavog paragrafa, rekao si nam sta to sve Hendrix nije. A na kraju ispade 'najveci'. Kako bre, po cemu to? Po hajpu? Po cemu konkretno, sem po hajpu? Drugo, Hendrix je imao tu neverovatnu srecu, kao niko drugi dotada, da mu donose na ruke najnovije sprave da ih isproba. Prototipove. Procitaj neku biografiju njegovu pa ce ti biti jasno. Daleko od toga da ga kritikujem zbog toga, to su jednostavno cinjenice. U to vreme razlika izmedju prethodne serije pojacala i naredne serije je bila fenomenalna. Zasto je Jimmy imao nikakav ton pocetkom sezdesetih a onda postao kralj kraljeva sa tonom i distorzijom? Zato sto mu je Jim Marshall postao licni prijatelj a Jimmy njegovo zamorce na kojem je isprobavao svoje novitete. Citaj Hendrixovu biografiju gde on i Eddie Kramer pricaju kako su snimali albume u Electric Ladyland. Ovi samo unose novu opremu svaki dan, stizu razne igracke, Jimmy ih ukljucuje naduvan kao majka, zeza se, a ovi rolaju traku sve vreme. Posle sednu i sve to uoblice. Nema tu nijedne gotove pesme, da su usli u studiju i istresli je iz gaca. O cemu ti pricas onda?
Možda je čovek imao gruv u ruci i muda? Ko zna. Možda je zvučao drugačije od ostalih? Ko zna?

Glupo mi je da diskutujem o ovakvim stvarima na forumu, pošto 1) sve je stvar ukusa 2) uvek rizikuješ da te poklopi neko sa dark side, mega tehnički frik, upoznat sa zvucima, komponentama i ostalim stvarima.

Jednostavno, meni se sviđa kako taj pokojni baja udara po žicama, na pločana koje je snimio. Nisam mogao da ga gledam uživo, niti da ga pratim po studijima, pošto je umro 3 godine pre nego što sam se ja rodio. My bad.

Jednostavno, userem se kad čujem uvod u I Don't Live Today, Woodoo Child, Gypsy Eyes... itede. Znaš ono useravanje u gaće, kostrešenje dlaka na telu, ono kad čuješ udarac, ton, gruv, nešto za šta bi mislio da te nikad ne bi zagolicalo, a izlazi iz tvojih ukalupljenih ja-sam-baja-koji-je-čuo-boga-oca-i-preveslao-mora-tehnike. Makar to bio i falš, prljavština, nešto na šta bi more ukalupljenih čistunaca reko da ne vredi kurcu.

Mnogim ljudima ne umem da objasnim kako meni zvuči bubanj Gingera Bakera u White Room od Cream. Na prvo slušanje, najprostije moguće sviranje, najprostiji mogući ritam odsviran. Masnoća, nejednaki udarci, gaženje kontra činele... sve to bi jedan fan Vinija Kolijute pljunuo. Nije dovoljno tehnički. Nije dovoljno zajebano, nije ritam mašina. Jebo ritam mašine.

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by sl0e » 21 Jun 2009, 01:49

Hvala za ovaj info o Hendrixovoj opremi :ziveli:

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by Bluesko » 21 Jun 2009, 01:50

Hvala Bogu da je bio naklonjen boljoj opremi,svaki iole ozbiljan muzicar mora da vodi racuna i kvalitetu opreme... Time dobija i na kvalitetu zvuka... Ali,opet,to kod Jimija nije bilo presudno da ga i dan danas smatraju tatom gitare... po meni - opravdano...



Fender Stratocaster :)

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by Dersu Uzala » 21 Jun 2009, 01:54

nebojsak wrote:Možda je čovek imao gruv u ruci i muda? Ko zna. Možda je zvučao drugačije od ostalih? Ko zna?


Jednostavno, userem se kad čujem uvod u I Don't Live Today, Woodoo Child, Gypsy Eyes... itede. Znaš ono useravanje u gaće, kostrešenje dlaka na telu, ono kad čuješ udarac, ton, gruv, nešto za šta bi mislio da te nikad ne bi zagolicalo, a izlazi iz tvojih ukalupljenih ja-sam-baja-koji-je-čuo-boga-oca-i-preveslao-mora-tehnike. Makar to bio i falš, prljavština, nešto na šta bi more ukalupljenih čistunaca reko da ne vredi kurcu.
Mozda. Ko zna.


Ono sto znamo je da se ne bi useravao u gace niti kostresio dlake po telu, cuo udarac, ton, gruv da tip nije imao oko sebe mocnu opremu i mocne inzenjere. Svi radeci za njega ili u njegovu i svoju naravno korist. Za Marshalle u to vreme jos niko nije ni cuo. E sad, da ne bi Jimmy-ja, uvalio bi ih on nekom trecem. Vec ih je bio uvalio Claptonu, a nasao bi se jos po neko.

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by sinisake » 21 Jun 2009, 01:57

Ovo mu je jebeno dobro, bolje nego na albumu, narocito onaj kraj... :ziveli:

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by nebojsak » 21 Jun 2009, 01:59

Mozda. Ko zna.


Ono sto znamo je da se ne bi useravao u gace niti kostresio dlake po telu, cuo udarac, ton, gruv da tip nije imao oko sebe mocnu opremu i mocne inzenjere. Svi radeci za njega ili u njegovu i svoju naravno korist. Za Marshalle u to vreme jos niko nije ni cuo. E sad, da ne bi Jimmy-ja, uvalio bi ih on nekom trecem. Vec ih je bio uvalio Claptonu, a nasao bi se jos po neko.
Ne znam da li grešim, ali čini mi se da ovaj tvoj post implicira da oprema proizvodi muda i gruv. Sa čime se debelo ne slažem. Oprema može da ulepša ton, ne može da izvadi iz nas ono što nemamo u sebi.

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by progg » 21 Jun 2009, 02:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCYz6nh_G_8

ovde ima neceg...zajebanog...
nema fuzzova, wahova, marshalla i ostale "Jimijeve namudjene opreme zbog koje je on bio odlican gitarista"...



razumem da se nekome ne svidja ono sto je on svirao - stvar ukusa...


rest in peace Jimi...

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by Dersu Uzala » 21 Jun 2009, 02:22

Mozda se slazemo mozda ne. Nisu u pitanju muda i gruv ovde, svi ti muzicari ih imaju. U pitanju je covekovo (Hendrixovo) neumorno istrazivanje ka pronalasku njegovog tona. A poklopilo se sa erom u kojoj je on kao experimentator mogao da experimentise. Pre njega sve te stvari nisu ni postojale, u njegovo vreme je to krenulo a on je iskoristio priliku na najbolji nacin. Drugo, ako znas Hendrizovu biografiju intimno, i kako je snimao albume, postoje dnevnici iz tog perioda koje su svi redom pisali, on, njegova cura, njegovi ortaci iz benda, inzenjeri iz studija, producneti, cure inzenjera, zure producenata, bla bla, kapiras, sazvakana materija, elem kad bi to procitao shvatio bi da je Hendrix upravo zbog opreme i trazenja tog zvuka prerastao u stridljivog pop-soul-funk Nasville/Motown prateceg djitriste u mega zvezdu (kako i pise u onom artiklu gore). Kad je vec i postao zvezda, nista mu nije bio veci merak nego da se zakljuca u Electric Ladyland sam ili sa jednim toncem koji ce da pusta traku, ili pusti traku i ode napolje i ovaj experimentise letnji dan do podne na novim igrackama. Te igracke postanu sastavni deo njegovog zvuka, prema tome menja se i njegov zvuk i tehnika u procesu. Otkriva nove tehnike, ne moze na svakom uredjaju da svira isto, ne dobija zeljene rezultate. Majku mu, jel to toliko tesko shvatiti?

Oduzmi mu svu tu tehniku i prebaci ga na starog Fendera, i ne bi mogao vise da svira to sto svira. Te kompozicije. jer se one baziraju na onom zvuku koji ce dobiti bas iz te neke konkretne opreme. Znaci, zvucao bi kao danas ovi kad krenu 'unplugged'. A Hedrixova glavna fora je bila upravo u tome da on 'zvuci' drukcije, vanzemaljski, da ga metnes unplugged to bi i dalje bile sjajne kompozicije (njegovo kompozitorsko umece je nesporno) ali bi zvucale isto kao kad bi ih ABBA svirala. Nije Hendrix nista bolji gitarista od upravo tog lika iz ABBA :ziveli:.

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Re: Fender ili Gibson

Post by Dersu Uzala » 21 Jun 2009, 02:26

progg wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCYz6nh_G_8

ovde ima neceg...zajebanog...
nema fuzzova, wahova, marshalla i ostale "Jimijeve namudjene opreme zbog koje je on bio odlican gitarista"...



razumem da se nekome ne svidja ono sto je on svirao - stvar ukusa...
Uspeo si da nadjes jednu Jimmy-jevu akusticnu stvar, svaka cast. On je i inace bio najpoznatiji upravo po akusticnim stvarima ukljucujuci i gore navedeni megahit :XD: .

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