Oprema Koju Imate

[rock action]

stigla!

[Baba Slim]

Vidim da je kupovina obavljena. Čestitam, i neka te dugo služi...

[umart]

[BaalBehrit]

Skroz je zanimljiv chorus, onako transparentan.

[rock action]

poseban smek mu daje delay time kad se poveca

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i super zvuci kad se upari sa chorusom sa whammy-a i nano small stoneom, totalna the cure dezintegracija psihodelije

[Dersu Uzala]

...bas me zanimalo da li ce i ko ce prvi da se javi i da stavi primedbu. Nisam mislio da ces biti ti, iskreno.

Nisam išao okolo čekajući kad ću da stavim primedbu, veruj mi. Prosto mi je upalo u oči.

I da, potenciometri su, kako kažu, glavni uzrok kvarova.

Having said that, voleo bih da jednom imam RoadKinga. Glavu.

Nadji mi jedan jedini link, pazi jedan jedini link gde je jedan jedini lik imao problema sa falicnim RoadKingom.

Sve se kvari. Ovo je proizvod pet minuta guglanja:

"Ive used the amp for two months on gigs and it has'nt let me down, having said that I did have a problem when i still had it at home tweaking it . Channel 3 & 4 lost power and I had to send the amp back to have some updates." - http://www.harmonycentral.com/products/86061

Prvo, cestitam sto te nije mrzelo .
Drugo, konstatovali smo da se sve kvari ranije, zato postoji customer support i ovlasceni serviseri.

Idemo redom. Pun citat tvog prvo linka:

"Ive used the amp for two months on gigs and it has'nt let me down, having said that I did have a problem when i still had it at home tweaking it . Channel 3 & 4 lost power and I had to send the amp back to have some updates. The amp has worked perfect ever since and Mesa paid for all the shipping and got it back to me quickly. Check out my comment on customer support. I think the Road King is completely updated now and would be a safe investment of your hard earned money."

Slazem se, odradili su RoadKinga (to je RoadKing I, prva edicija) ko sto carevi iz Microsofta odradjuju posao. . "Ej radi u 99% slucajeva, a sa nevoljama cemo da dilujemo naknadno". Kao sto vidis, problem resen dok si reko keks. Ne problem u seriji, individualni problem. Jebiga, sto kaze nas narod usralo ga. 1:0 za tebe protiv mene, 0:1 za Boogie protiv sveta u smislu customer support (besplatne opravke).


Komentar istog coveka koji je izjavio da je imao problem:

"I have used Mesa gear exclusively since 1980 and this is the first time I've ever had a problem. Pretty good track record in 24 years in my estimation.When they found out there was a problem I had a phone call from them in five minutes time telling they were having UPS picking up the amp the next day. I had calls from them almost on a daily basis keeping me updated and also sent me a customer care package of tubes, shirts, caps, etc.. If you are about to buy an amp I would consider the customer service you will be getting with your amplifier company of choice. It may become a very important factor down the road for you. I was treated very well by these guys. Very impressive. You will be hard pressed to find customer support like this anywhere else. You don't see that sort of service in the world these days. Their customer service is second to none"

[Dersu Uzala]

"Everyone should know by now, that amp is nothing but problems. Amp techs will tell you the truth. As far as I'm concerned, Mesa has taken a HUGE dive..." - http://www.harmonycentral.com/products/86061

Zar nisi procitao citav post? Ovo je neko iz konkurencije ko uopste ne navodi koje pojacalo ima (sem sto se post pojavljuje u temi Road King) i sere do neba kako Mesa ne valja. "Have no desire to follow the crowd". Pljuvacina iz konkurencije. Nikakav konkretni dokaz ili prica o njegovom problemu. MF materijal. Tip i nema Mesa pojacalo. Ignore.

Score:

I dalje 1:0 za tebe, 0:1 za Mesu.

[Dersu Uzala]

"...1) unit was floor model 2002 needed updates (relay dropout) I was not too concearned cause I knew I was getting a newer unit with all the updates. 2) 4 months later got the new unit, But it had a problem w/solo knob 3) 9 months later finally got a replacement" - http://www.harmonycentral.com/products/86061

Floor model? Floor model? Znas sta je floor model? Nesto sto svako derle drka u radnji mesecima, godinama. Anyway, pun citat:

"This is my 3rd RK amp. 1) unit was floor model 2002 needed updates (relay dropout) I was not too concearned cause I knew I was getting a newer unit with all the updates. 2) 4 months later got the new unit, But it had a problem w/solo knob 3) 9 months later finally got a replacement that is perfect so far. I am very happy now. I think maybe I had bad luck..3rd times a charm. I dont expect to have any more issues, seems like a solid and quality built amp. Sh*t happens."

Dalje, od istog coveka:

"Support was responsive, supportive and very helpful while talking on the phone. The guys at Mesa are very nice and pleasant to talk with. I do have a complaint though. I think if your Brand New top of the line RK is a "DOA" (Dead On Arrival, prim. prev. Dersu) tech support should not suggest you take it to the Authorized Service Center to get it fixed. I know this is standard procedure for most companys nowadays, but I think it is in bad taste to do so considering this is my first impression of Mesa after dreaming of owning one for 16 years and buying the top of the line model and paying a substantial amount of cash for the Head. Overall I am very happy with my purchase and believe Mesa will treat me right in the future if I am in need of thier support. I like the 5 yr warranty! "

2:0 za tebe, 0:2 za Mesu.

[Dersu Uzala]

"When I did have a problem with my first Road King they sent me tubes and gave me all the information to send it to a official repair station. Great Customer support." - http://www.harmonycentral.com/products/116488

Nisi konstatovao covek problem, ovo ti je citat iz Customer Support sekcije...

Znaci:

"The Road King is solid. The chassis is made of thick stamped metal thats wielded and all the controls are point to board. If you happen to hit off a knob it won't wreck the board, it will just break the point to point leads. The cabinet around the chassis is built just like any other MESA/BOOGIE cabinet and is very solid. I use it without any backup but extra tubes are always a good idea. I have had two Road Kings now. My first one had a tube problem and the issue was hard to define. All the tubes would of had to be replaced and swapped just to find the culprit. This store I bought it from just offered to give me a new one. I waited a couple of weeks and finally had the great Road King I have today. Not a problem since (knock on wood)."

Znaci, imao covek falicne cevi (Mesa ne proizvodi cevi, kupuje ih od kontraktora, i onda ih sami QA.)

Customer support:

"I have called Mesa/boogie many times with various questions. They have been very helpful and friendly every time. When I did have a problem with my first Road King they sent me tubes and gave me all the information to send it to a official repair station. Great Customer support."

Mesa garantuje cevi do 6 meseci (nisu njihove, shit happens). Zamenise coveku cevi (besplatno cenim, posto nije drukcije indicirao).

Score:

Tie. Cevi ne podlezu dizajnu ni manufakturi u MB fabrici. Nikad ne znas sta ce im se desiti posto su jednom shipovane. Potrosna roba.

I dalje 2:0 za tebe, 0:2 za Mesu, stavise, 0:3 za Mesu sad. Resili su problem koji u biti i nije njihova greska ali jeste njihova odgovornost. I zato su ga resili.

[Dersu Uzala]

"...took it to the Mesa repair guy a few times. They are pretty good and get the problem fixed in a reasonable amount of time. These are pretty complicated amps to work on and the repair guy I took it to had to have Mesa support in CA to help him. My amp still needs more updates but they wanted me to send it to CA but I didn't feel like sending it since I have a new head." - http://www.harmonycentral.com/products/86061

Pun citat:

"I've had some problems with it but it was a new model amp and the bugs weren't worked out yet. It totally died at practice one day. Mesa has since had factory updates to address the issues though. The handle is tearing but Mesa said they would send me a new one for free. If you have a MIDI footboard, the external switching is a real pain. I had some switching problems at gigs, mostly my fault, but the way you have to set it up is complicated and alot can go wrong. I've had tubes die several times and there are alot of tubes on this thing. It would be nice to have an indicator for each tube like the Diezel VH4 has."

Pun citat:

"I've had some problems with it but it was a new model amp and the bugs weren't worked out yet. It totally died at practice one day. Mesa has since had factory updates to address the issues though. The handle is tearing but Mesa said they would send me a new one for free. If you have a MIDI footboard, the external switching is a real pain. I had some switching problems at gigs, mostly my fault, but the way you have to set it up is complicated and alot can go wrong. I've had tubes die several times and there are alot of tubes on this thing. It would be nice to have an indicator for each tube like the Diezel VH4 has."

Zamenili su mu komletnu glavu. Tip je ionako Diezel fan. Biased, I would say. Mesa mu ponudila da posalje glavu na update, on je odbio!!!!!!! Jer ima novu Diezel glavu!!! Bilo kako bilo....

Final Score:

3:0 za tebe, 0:3 za Mesu

Naravoucenije...

Od tih pet zalbi, imajuci u vidu da se radi o najkomplikovanijem i najmocnijem pojacalu u znanom univerzumu, 3 (i slovima tri) zalbe su opravdane. Ne bi trebalo da postoji ni jedna jedina (kao sto rekoh, mada sam spomenuo da karikiram). RoadKing I je prva serija izbacena, i sve tri zalbe uvazene se odnose na njega (RKII baja je imao problem sa cevima, da se poCetimo).

Svakako priznajem rezultat, i sve zalbe za RKI. Stoji. Ima oko 75 postova na HC (Harmony Central, odakle su svi citati) za RKI. Tri su ove zalbe. Imajuci cak u vidu da je jedan flood model (izlozbeni exponat koga drkas u radnji, kad ga izdrkas onda kazes ok hocu da kupim, ali brand new unpacked, medjutim dobices mnogo bolji dil ako kupis bas to izdrkano pojacalo od strane 1000 klinaca a i budala, i ond ase zalis?!?!?!?!?!).

Kao sto vidimo iz prilozenog, failure rate je ovde 4% (3:75 posto su sve RKI u pitanju) i sva tri uredjaja su popravljeni (100% free repair - satisfaction rate). Failure rate od 4% za najnovije i najkomplikovanije pojacalo u univerzumu. KOja su sva sredjena pronto, free of charge. Mislim alo? Kvare su pno vise nego ranije. Da, kvare se puno vise nego ranije. Ranije je failure rate bio 0%, kao sto vec rekoh.


K?

[Dersu Uzala]

Mmnog je lakse i brze ocrniti nesto, tebi je trebalo 5 minuta da pronadjes ovo, meni eto vise od pola sata da debankujem citirano.

[Dersu Uzala]

evo da uletim ja u ovo dosadnu raspravu ciji je "boogie" veci...

Nisam ni sumnjao da ti je Udesno Budala idol. Alter ego takoreci.



Cestitam na kupovini, Takamine su sjajne gitare.

[Dersu Uzala]

Da rezimiram RR, poenta je sledeca:

Kad ti izbacis 100 svojih pedala (koje su kudikamo prostije od RoadKinga, kao nebo i zemlja, uz duzno postovanje), srecan bi trebao da budes da samo 4% imaju problema kad stignu kod kupca. Bilo da su nove bilo da su mrcvarene u radnji, na show floor roomu. Naravno da bi ti uvek stajao iza njih. Ali u 4 slucaja od 100, kupio si opremu od dobavljaca koji ti je prodao djoku. Uleteo skart. Nije tvoj dizajn u pitanju, radi 96% vremena. Neko ti uvalio potove koji skripe ili cipove/trandze koji su 'bajati', nije to to. Fair enough. E sad, postanes mega popularan, traze ne 100, nego 1000 uredjaja godisnje. Ne samo sto moze da ti uleti skart u jos vecoj meri, nego nisi ti taj (Randall Smith ili Mike Bendinelli) koji ce to rucno da pici. Moras da unajmis frajere ili sojke. I frajeri se napiju, sojke ostavi decko. I dalje ti stojis iza svega sto nosi tvoje ime. Sad od tvojih 1000 pedala godisnje, 40 su problematicne kad stignu kod korisnika. A ti se pitas, kako bre, pa sve sam lepo smislio i garantujem za sve sto sam ja odradio licno!

Ali opet si odradio 100 komada godisnje licno, iako je sve tvoj dizajn. Jos moras da pregledas i nadgledas komponente za svih hiljadu pedala od svih proizvodjaca komponenti. Neces postici to. Verujes im na rec, sklopili ste dil. Sranje se desava. 4% je vrlo dobro. Ako zamenis o svom trosku sve, customer satisfaction 100%. To je poenta. Mesa pravi hiljade (ne hiljadU, hiljadE pojacala godisnje, i to onih najkomplikovanijih). Rucno. 4%? You kiddin' me? 96% proof satisfaction rate from the box. I srede dzabaka tih 4%, tako da customer satisfaction, kako videsmo, bude 100%. Kad ti budes prodavao 1000 komada godisnje, bez obzira na inicijalne zalbe, ako sve popravis o svom trosku, javi se. We can do business.

[Rocket Roll]

...failure rate je ovde 4%...

Ovde. To "ovde" je rezultat čitanja onoga što je nekolicina ljudi, koji znaju za HC, znaju da upale kompjuter i koje nije mrzelo da kucaju, napisala. Pogledaj koliki je, po tim istim parametrima, failure rate bilo čega drugog - Soldano pojačala, Diezel pojačala, Bogner pojačala... Ispašće da je manji od 4%.

Prave cifre su verovatno šokantne. Da budemo pošteni, to verovatno važi i za svaku drugu kompaniju koja trenutno pravi pojačala. Stvari u masovnoj proizvodnji se više, jednostavno, ne rade kvalitetno - RoHS, "planirano zastarevanje", Kina i sve to.

Ali, molim te, shvati: ne plaćaju te da braniš Mesu. Voli je, ali ne krivi činjenice.

(PS, ovako privatno, molba: kad budeš imao priliku, sviraj Bognerov model Shiva. Jako me zanima kako radi u praksi, a nemam priliku da ga čujem ovde. Očekujem "flat dynamic multi-channel syndrome" i dobro poznati gubitak harmoničnosti koji imaju sva moderna višekanalna pojačala, ali me zanima u kolikoj su meri te boljke izražene. Kažu - manje nego kod bilo kojeg modernog višekanalnog smećanca. I kažu da je neverovatno prodoran u živom miksu.)