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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by sub_zer0 » 22 Oct 2010, 00:38

Naleteo na neki matori Ingvijev intervju. Ne znam da li je bilo na forumu, ali je odlicno u svakom slucaju :mrgreen:
JOE SATRIANI
"THE MIGHTY TURTLE HEAD"
Time Machine, Relativity (1993)

I like the groovy intro. Sounds like a Strat. But the soloing going over the song is very bad. It's bent out of shape and out of tune. It's very basic bullshit pentatonic runs. The choice of notes in the solo is completely overdone. That stuff has been done for 30 years! I'm sick and tired off that bending bullshit. This is the most run-of-the-mill pentatonic playing I ever heard.

GW: That was Joe Satriani.

MALMSTEEN: You're kidding! Was he high? He's playing out of tune, and
the most boring runs! What I've heard from Satriani before was really good, but this -- this sounds like something someone would play in a garage. After the backwards solo, Joe does some nice stuff with out of phase pickups, which I liked. But the actual solo... I could never dream that was Joe. Out of tune, and terrible.



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METALLICA
"MASTER OF PUPPETS"
Live Shit: Binge & Purge, Elektra (1993)


That's Metallica -- I love it! This is maybe the second or third time I've heard this song, and the first time I've heard the live version. My old drummer and keyboardist liked Metallica a lot, and they played this song around the time I was recording Odeyssey (1988). I liked it then and I like it now.

Of all the bands that play this type of music, Metallica's the best. James (Hetfield) sings better than all the other vocalists, and Lars (Ulrich) is a great drummer. I feel some sort of connection with them. I think the band heard some of my eary demos, which sounded something like this. (Malmsteen demos first surfaced on college radio stations in Northern California, where Metallica is based) I'm not saying I influnced them, but maybe I did. Overall, the band has a great sound. But I think the lead guitar player (Kirk Hammett) is not very good. He can play fast and is pretty good at it. But hi s choice of notes and sence of pitch are very bad. I don't think that he plays with musicality, or plays in tune. Rather than lifting the song, his solo seems to be the anticlimax.



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PRIMUS
"MY NAME IS MUD"
Pork Soda, Interscope (1993)

I know this band -- it's Primus. The intro is cool. However, when I listen closely, i hear one thing I totally detest: I Hate slap bass playing. It's the worst technique ever. But I think Primus is very funny. I get a bit of a Frank Zappa vibe from them. But although I find them very funny, and they do intrigue me, they don't give me a hard-on, in that the band doesn't inspire me to do a similar thing.

On this song the guitarist plays the weirdest combination of notes; it sounds like he's playing it that way just for the sake of doing it differently. I think Zappa intentionally made his music weird, but he did it with intellegence. Primus is not unitellegent, but I think their music is done, not to piss people off, but to make the listener react, "What the Fuck is this?" Someone like Alan Holdsworth plays the wackiest things, but he does it with panache, such tase. This is done just to do it.



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PANTERA
"I'M BROKEN"
Far Beyond Driven, East West 91994)

I don't know what this is, but I like the cool guitar riff. I also like the groove over the second chorus but I don't like the buzz-saw guitars. I'd much prefer a distorted guitar that doesn't really sound distorted if you don't play more than two notes. As far as the singing goes, I couldn't find enough words to describe my disgust. Because it's really not singing. It sounds like sombody is either shoving something up the vocalist's ass, or something is coming out of his ass and his mouth at the same time. It's a stupid excuse for someone who stands in front of a mic stand.

GW: What did you think of the guitar solo?

MALMSTEEN: A sad reason for being a guitarist in the nineties. It started off sounding like Chuck Berry. Then there was some terriblr, terrible bending going on. Very untasteful. That was one of the worst solos I've heard. But the riffage at the beginning and end of the song is very good.



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DREAM THEATER
"UNDER A GLASS MOON"
Images And Words, Atco (1992)

I have this on CD -- it's brilliant. Dream Theater is, by far, one of the best bands to come out recently. Musically, I think they're really clver, and the guitarist and keyboardist are very good. A great band with the right attitude. They're musical, technical, interesting, -- and tasteful. One of my absolute favorite bands at the moment. I have just one reservation about them: their drummer. His choice of beats is terrible! He's obviously listened to too much Neil Peart (Rush) over the years and needs to take a valium.

As for the song, a great intro. I actually like even the drumming there. Another thing I like about this band, and this song, is that the group likes to use a lot of keyboards -- everything from synthesizers to Hammond organs. Almost like Jan Hammer, which iI think is great.

The guitar solo is very intersting; it's like a who's who of guitar playing. It starts off reminiscent of Steve Vai's humbucky, distorted tone. Then the guitarist plays something similar to a harmonic minor run that I would do. Then he goes into a Stevie Ray Vaughn/Hendrix thing, which is splendid. I also hear some Brad Gillis and Michael Schenker. I'm not too crazy about his tone, however. Sounds like he's using a Floyd Rose tremolo, humbucking pickups, and the string action is below the frets. I prefer lower-output pickups, no Floy Rose, and very high strings. Therefore I get a more accoustic-type sound. But I really cant say anything bad about the guitarist in Dream Theater, because he's good and very abitious. I think in a couple more years he'll have his own identity.



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PEARL JAM
"GO"
Vs., Atlantic (1993)

I am going to dig my own grave right now. I think the singer in Pearl Jam should go eat some Pearl Jam! He cannot sing to save his life! And the guitar player needs to seek help. The guitar solo is terrible -- it's just wank-off, wah-wah pedal bullshit! That's the most disgusting thing, so tasteless, so common, so blatant -- the worst! There are a couple of people like Clapton, Hendrix, Angus Young, Ritchie Blackmore, even Jimmy Page, they played pentetonic -- the regular stuff -- but did it with taste. But the guitarist in Pearl Jam, and the lead player in Metallica, they've got no taste what-so-ever. I don't want to comment on that song anymore.



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TOM PETTY & THE HEARTBREAKERS
"EVEN THE LOSERS"
Greatest Hits, MCA (1993)

That's Tom Petty. Great songwriter. Not a technical singer, but good at what he does. Obviously it's something that's not up my alley, but I do like it. I also like Dire Straits -- opposites attract. The lead guitar playing on this song is non-existent. I think the guitarist bought a Chuck Berry record that had a scratch on it. He repeats the same thing, even though he changes the key. Had I played on this type of song, I would have played more melodically and chosen different notes, instead of that overdone "johhny B. Goode" lick.



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THE ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND
"JESSICA"
Polydor (1973)

I like it. Very inventive twin-lead guitar in the beginning. It's very musical, and on pitch. What they're doing, they're doing right. Although it doesn't sound technical or wild, the guitarists are playing perfectly in tune. A lot of people don't relize that guitar playing is very much like singing or playing any of the glissando-type instruments -- you have to do it in tune.

GW: That was the Allman Brothers.

MALMSTEEN: I thought I'd heard it before! Back in the Seventies, I saw Dickey Betts playing a live show on TV, via sattelite from the Rock Palace in Hamburg, and remember being impressed by the fact that he was playing clean and very much on pitch.



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DEATH
"THE PHILOSOPHER"
Individual Thought Patterns, Relativity (1993)

The singer sounds like he's sitting on a toilet seat, pushing a big one. I can't stand it! It sounds like the band can't decide which song to play. This beat changing bullshit -- I don't like it. The guitarist isn't awful; he actually has decent vibrato. But I can't get off on it.

GW: But isn't this similar to what Metallica plays, which you do like?

MALMSTEEN: It is, but it isn't as good. But I like that the bassist is playing frettless. However, the fact that he is playing out of tune isn't so tasty. Also the production is awful; it sounds like it was recorded on a Fostex 4-track.



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JEFF BECK
"CAUSE WE'VE ENDED AS LOVERS"
Blow By Blow, Epic (1975)

Great intro and arrangement. Great choice of notes, and the intention is good. However, he performance and accuracy of the guitar player, whoever he is, is not on pitch and is very much below standard.

GW: That was Jeff Beck.

MALMSTEEN: Oh my God! That's unfuckin' believeable! I've never heard this before -- that's Jeff Beck? He's playing out of tune. He's bending the strings out of pitch. It's not the correct pitch! Every time he bends a string, he bends it sharp or flat. I can't believe that people... whoever produced and engineered this, or Beck himself, or the listeners, are tonedeaf. I can't believe it!



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DINASAUR JR.
"START CHOPPIN"
Where You Been, Sire (1993)

My first impression is that the song wasn't that bas -- it's got a decent groove. But the vocalist -- I don't know what he is doing! It hurts to listen to that. Please don't torture me any longer.

GW: What do you think of the guitar work?

MALMSTEEN: It's horrible. The guitar playing on the Jeff Beck song was brilliant compared to this.



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VAI
"TOUCHING TOUNGES"
Sex & Religion, Relativity (1993)

The guitar playing is really nice. Sounds like a humbucking pickup. I've never heard this before, but I know it's Steve Vai. Steve's got his own sound and style -- I spotted it right away -- and that's what I admire about him. This is some of the best stuff that I've ever heard from him. I like what he's doing in the middle of the song -- sounds like he's using an octave divider. Very interesting. Musically and arrangement-wise, it's excellent. I have an objection to Steve's actual guitar sound, and I've told him so myself, but that doesn't really matter at this moment. I don't think that anyone who clones anybody, or plays something technically perfect, is worth s much as somebody with their own identity. Steve's definately got it. There's no way I'm going to knock that, even though much of what he does may not be my cup of tea. But this track I really liked. Steve, good on you, man.



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GARY MOORE
"STILL GOT THE BLUES (FOR YOU)"
Blues Alive, Virgin (1993)

Now here's a guy who doesn't play out of tune. Gary Moore doesn't have much technique, but he's brilliant when playing slow bits, and he's got style. When he does play fast he's sloppy. But when he plays a melody, he's one of the very best. No question.

On this song he plays some beautiful melodi-minor runs. I must admit that he played evn better on some of his other stuff, like "Parisienne Walkways." This is pretty much the same vibe, but it sounds like he's playing a Les Paul on this one.



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THE CURE
"PURPLE HAZE"
Stone Free: A Tribute To Jimi Hendrix
Reprise (1993)

Total Blasphemy! You don't make "Purple Haze" into a fuckin' rap song! You just don't! The mere thought of it makes me want to puke! It's like converting a Rolls Royce into a Volkswagon. Whoever these guys are they should be shot! And the fact that (producer) Eddie Kramer, who I've known for years, didn't ask me to do something on this Hendrix tribute is also blasphemy! I would've loved to play on it.




The preceeding article originally appeared in the August 1994
edition of "GUITAR WORLD"
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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by Duane » 22 Oct 2010, 01:46

sreća pa je bar metal'ku prepoznao... izgleda da šved samo svoje ploče sluša :)

nekrivim ga... ipak je on najbolji

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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by Dersu Uzala » 22 Oct 2010, 01:52

Nema dlake na jeziku, ali ni Ingveta nije cist u glavi. On uopste ne kapira da je JB namerno svirao out-of-pitch slighlty, all the time. Ko je cuo tu pesmu zna da je jedna od najtugaljivijih instrumentalnih balada (mada ne i ljiga, daleko od toga, pogotovu za 1975.) i bazicno je ono, srceparajuca stvar jelda. A kad pokusavas da docaras takvu neku emociju, you don't want to stay in perfect pitch. Kad ljudi placu i naricu, cak i operski pevaci i pevacice, retko kad su u savrsenom pitchu, emocija je to. :mrgreen:

P.S. Vecina poznatih (a i velikih, tojest priznatih) muzicara istorijski ne slusa ni tudje ni svoje ploce. Kreiraju. Ne zanima ih posle 17-18. godine zivota sta bilo ko drugi svira. Onda se blamiraju po medijima kad treba nesto da komentarisu i lanu, i navode genericke 'uzore' (ono sto su popamtili kad su imali 12 godina). Kad upoznas nekog muzicara, to je jedan od prvih indikatora da li je neko 'umetnik' i buduca (ili vec) zvezda, ili svira iz fola, zbog cura, popularnosti ili hobija.

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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by Doolio » 22 Oct 2010, 02:38

meni je ovaj intervju sjajan:)

dobra je fora, puste ti nesto sto ne skontas sta je i onda normalno percipiras, nemas onaj trip "aaa, pink flojd kazes, do jaja je!" -ali, nisam jos pustio pesmu... "do jaja je bre!".

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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by Nyarlathotep » 22 Oct 2010, 03:09

hahahahaha...
ovo je pregenijalno!!!!!!!!!!

takva debilcina.... znao sam da je totalni kreten, ali ovo me je potpuno odusevilo....

popljuvao sve od Jeffa Becka, Satcha, preko Death, Pantere, do Dinosaur Jr. hahaha... totalni retard. svaki od tih bendova-muzičara je za njega muzicki i istorijski kolosalna velicina.

ne verujem koliko je jadan i elementarno neobrazovan. car! treba mu skratiti muke.

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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by Doolio » 22 Oct 2010, 03:19

mislim da si prestrog...

ako nisi upoznat sa radom, npr, dinosaur jr, jednostavno mozes svasta da kazes ovako na prvu loptu, ko i on sto je lupao sve ove pesme...i sam kazes da su ovi likovi koji su mu pustani za njega istorijske i muzicke velicine. ja se sa tim slazem. ali je fazon sto ne vidim kako bi ti mogao da percipiras da je neko istorijska velicina na osnovu pesme koju ti puste. osim ako vec ne znas za to, a onda dolazimo do ovog pink flojd primera koji sam dao u proslom postu.

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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by nebojsak » 22 Oct 2010, 03:37

Pa ono, treba odvojiti sistem od učesnika u eksperimentu. Sistem je kul, a Debeli još jednom pokazuje koliko je ograničen. Ne mislim da treba da kaže "e, ovo je istorijska veličina" kad čuje rif, nego da prepozna dobru muziku. A on to ne ume, pošto sve što izlazi iz okvira besomučnog peglanja i imitiranja MIDI instrumenta ili ritam mašine, njegov binarni um jednostavno ne može da pojmi. A živ svirač se od mašine razlikuje baš po tome što se čuje da je živ tj nesavršen.

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Post by Dersu Uzala » 22 Oct 2010, 03:45

Sta god ko mislio, Debeli Sved je funny as shit. Ja se pokidam kad slusam njegove zvake. A i dobio me sad, nisam znao da je jos tada gotivio DT :bow: .

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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by Nyarlathotep » 22 Oct 2010, 04:11

najludje sto samo besomucno bunca ono "out of tune". jbg, Dersu, DT su vec tada bili ono mega novi hit bend u metalu... bemliga... i ja sam tada slusao Dream Theater, kao i Panteru, i Satcha, i Death... sve u 16, a imao sam 14 godina. i znao bih kao balavo derle sve ovo da prepoznam (čuj da prepoznam, da odzviždim...) jer sam bio zaludjen tom muzikom. prosto ne verujem koliko je covek operisan od prepoznavanja dobrog rifa (sto Nebojsa kaze), a samim tim i od rokenrola, kao i metala. hehehe...

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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by sinisake » 22 Oct 2010, 07:11

takva debilcina.... znao sam da je totalni kreten, ali ovo me je potpuno odusevilo....

popljuvao sve od Jeffa Becka, Satcha, preko Death, Pantere, do Dinosaur Jr. hahaha... totalni retard. svaki od tih bendova-muzičara je za njega muzicki i istorijski kolosalna velicina.
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Ali, pazi, cak je i on, apsolutno operisan od ukusa, skontao snagu Panterinog rifa. Ima tu nesto... :lol:

Ali, u isto vreme:
Debeli Sved je funny as shit. Ja se pokidam kad slusam njegove zvake.
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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by Cortex » 22 Oct 2010, 07:46

Genijalan intervju, odushevljen sam. Totalno bih ovako neshto chekivao od njega. Ljuba, guvnr posebno ceni Malmsteen-a verovali ili ne, pa bi mogao i on da se oglasi :mrgreen:
"Malmsteen verovatno ima najbolji vibrato u istoriji..." :mrgreen: :ziveli: :ziveli:

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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by nebojsak » 22 Oct 2010, 09:04

Ne, to je onaj tip ljudi koji neće prepoznati najbolju ritam ili brass sekciju, ili najluđeg klavijaturistu na svetu, dok mu gruvaju ispred nosa. Pošto je fokusiran na to što je gitarista omašio jedan ton u petominutnoj solaži.

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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by Duane » 22 Oct 2010, 10:16

šved je vrhunski gitarista, nema tu šta... al ono što rade ti bendovi, koje je on popljuvao, je magija... pure fuckin' magick

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Re: Malmsteen - kreten ili...

Post by sinisake » 22 Oct 2010, 12:07

P.S. Vecina poznatih (a i velikih, tojest priznatih) muzicara istorijski ne slusa ni tudje ni svoje ploce. Kreiraju.
Delimicno tacno, Dersu, ali... mislim da su Vai (koji je izjavio da bi, ako bi radio album sa obradama, radio iskljucivo obrade Toma Waitsa), Satriani (koji slusa i ceni Radiohead) ili Pablo (bitlman par ekselans) prilicno naslusani, i to svega. Naposletku, to se cuje i u muzici koju prave. Mnogo je to kreativnije od etidica debelog Sveda ocviranih na 520 bpm. :wink: :ziveli:

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